Guest: Dr. Hailey Parry, Assistant Professor, LSU School of Kinesiology
Host: Lacy Dicharry, Senior Director & Executive Coach, LSU Leadership Development Institute
Published: October 20, 2026
Run time: 30:36
What gives you and your team the energy to do your best work, and what can a leader do to protect it? Dr. Hailey Parry and host Lacy Dicharry find the answer in everyday choices: a 10-minute walk before a meeting, a workspace with natural light, the way a team hears feedback, and how a leader responds when someone makes a mistake. These choices are small, and as Lacy points out, they make a big difference in the environment a team works in every day.
Dr. Hailey Parry is an Assistant Professor in LSU’s School of Kinesiology, a former Irish dancer, and she researches how mitochondria behave differently depending on where in the cell they sit.
This transcript has been edited for clarity and may contain errors.
Transcript
Dr. Hailey Parry: Feedback can feel very personal, like an attack on you. It's taking down everything that you have ever done. Especially if it's constructive criticism, because you're coming in like, I have such a great idea, this is going to be the next hot thing, we're going to keep going for it. And then you have people [poking holes]. But that's what you want.
You want your [idea] to be so good that when it does take off, everyone can really get behind it. [They aren't] talking about you as a person. They're trying to provide their own suggestions to help build up what you're trying to build.
Lacy Dicharry: [introduction] Welcome to Teams That Win, a podcast from the Leadership Development Institute at Louisiana State University, where we explore what makes teams win and get to sit down and talk with leaders who help get those teams there.
I'm Lacy Dicharry, Senior Director of LDI. Today we explore the connection between energy and influence. Our guest, Dr. Hailey Parry, is an Assistant Professor at LSU's School of Kinesiology, where she studies how mitochondrial function and cellular energy systems operate. She completed a postdoctoral fellowship at the National Institutes of Health.
What I love about my conversation with Hailey is how impactful mitochondria are in our day to day. What can we learn about mitochondria that makes a difference in our workplace? The answer you might find is simple, but surprising. Let's get started.
Lacy: Welcome to the podcast.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited to be here.
Lacy: I am too. That was a lot of big words.
Dr. Parry: A lot of big words.
Lacy: But I think that we're going to be able to learn a lot about those big words and how that impacts us as leaders every day.
Dr. Parry: I'm excited. This is my favorite topic to talk about, so I'm ready to get into it.
Lacy Dicharry: I love it. Tell us a little bit, how in the world did you go from Irish dancing as a young person to mitochondria?
Dr. Hailey Parry: I was in Irish dance for over 20 years. I competed on a world level. And it was through my 20 plus years of dancing that I learned how much I enjoyed movement. A lot of dancing is just exercise and breathing hard.
As I went into my education, I found myself more and more drawn to understanding what's happening to the body when we exercise. Even when I stopped dancing, I'm still going to the gym regularly. I love cycling classes. I love the runner's high that you go on. I love feeling strong when you're lifting weights. Like, what happens with all of this? Through my education and my classes, I just was [taken with] mitochondria.
The cellular energy we have is called ATP. We need ATP. We don't have enough stores of ATP to last more than a few seconds. So mitochondria are absolutely necessary, because without them, all of us would drop dead within seconds. They're very busy workers. [They] make sure that we have the energy we need to stand, to breathe, for our organs to function, to play games, to talk to people, to do all of those things. All of it is working all the time.
It's working in pretty much all of our tissue. Anytime that we're talking, our muscles are working. Anytime that we're [thinking], our muscles are working. Anytime that we're thinking, our neurons are firing. All of that requires energy for us to be able to function and interact.
Lacy Dicharry: I'm excited about this topic because I am always trying to find, what are the ways that I can increase my performance? What are even the tiny minute things? When I was studying for my [comps] in PhD school, looking at, what are the foods I need to be eating? How do I need to take breaks? When do I need to eat fruit to restore those [glycogen] stores? Eating walnuts, all of that stuff.
Tell me a little bit more about when you first came into contact with this idea of mitochondria. And was there a specific moment that [set you] down this process of understanding, okay, that's what I want to study? Because that connected with this thing that I care so much about, which is movement and energy.
Dr. Hailey Parry: They kind of combined together a little bit. I remember being in a chemistry class during my undergrad, I think it was my junior year, and we were learning all about the metabolic pathways. You've heard of [glycolysis], and you have your electron transport chain, and all of it was just fascinating to me. All these events are just kind of sort of happening at all times.
And then simultaneously I'm taking these physiology classes and they're talking about health and metabolic diseases, when we're thinking about obesity and type two diabetes, type one diabetes. And how our mitochondria, and maybe their, I don't want to say dysfunction, but different function, contributes to how their physiology on a day to day life is.
Both of these things were kind of happening simultaneously. And I'm in exercise science. I know that exercise is good for you. I'd already gone through exercise physiology. I know that if you want to become a better runner, you need to make more ATP, and you need more mitochondria, so you need to run more. All of this kind of mixed in together and got me to this point of, that's what I want to do. This is what I want to research.
Lacy Dicharry: Break it down for everybody listening. What in the world is she talking about right now? If mitochondria were to play a position on a football team, what position would they be?
Dr. Hailey Parry: They're the one that kind of does it all, but they're not quite the quarterback. Because the quarterback is going to be the nucleus. The quarterback is going to be the one that's calling the shots.
We think about mitochondria, typically when you learn about it in [high] school, it's termed the powerhouse of the cell. That's the catchphrase that everyone kind of knows, and it's providing the energy in order to function. But it's also doing a lot of defensive mechanisms as well that we don't talk about.
Mitochondria inherently produce things called reactive oxygen species. You can think about these as little damaging compounds. And when you hear that you need to get antioxidants, like all of the blueberries that we need to eat, it's because they're helping the mitochondria not produce those harmful species.
They're kind of consistent. They're always working, and they're always making sure there's enough room for other parts of the cell to be able to work.
Lacy Dicharry: Those are what allow the quarterback and the other positions to really do their job.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Right. They're producing energy at all times. You want your [muscle] to contract, mitochondria have got to be working.
Lacy Dicharry: That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for breaking that down.
When you think about your work around energy systems, can you help us understand how cellular energy actually influences our ability to focus and make decisions? That is something that leaders have to do every day, and our brains get so [taxed] that cognitive ability really wears down through the day. It impacts our ability to make clear decisions. It impacts our ability to stay focused and be productive.
Tell us a little bit about how these energy systems actually work, and how do they impact leaders?
Dr. Hailey Parry: That's a great question. Your brain, that's part of your neural system, and the cells that make it up are neurons. We have a lot of different kinds of neurons, but the main [thing] underlying all of them is that they like glucose. That's their favorite fuel that they're going off of.
And what is glucose? Glucose is your [sugar]. You're going to get that in your fruits. You're going to get that in your starches. You're going to get that in whatever potato chips that you're doing on the side of your sandwich. That's the simplest sugar that we possibly have, and the body's really good at breaking it down. Especially the brain's really good at breaking it down.
Part of the reason we get kind of [hangry], or we get a little bit slow after not eating for a bit, we just don't have as much glucose around. The brain is not able to take that critical fuel, bring it into those neurons, break it down to make that cellular ATP. And so now you have a little bit of misfire or [miscommunication], or you're really not kind of thinking clearly in that regard. Because the mitochondria just are not able to function at their optimal performance, because you don't have food in there.
Lacy Dicharry: Maybe that's why we have that afternoon slump. We get [to the] afternoon and you see everybody running for the vending machines or pulling out sugar. It's essentially because we've used our brain energy for the day, and we need to [replenish] that so we can keep thinking and working.
Lacy Dicharry: What are some of the things that increase the effectiveness of mitochondria, and what are some things that we do that make it work more efficiently?
Dr. Hailey Parry: I will always go back to, as the exercise physiologist has trained me to say, if you want your mitochondria to work better, go for that walk. Exercise is good for you.
Part of the reason is that we feel better and more refreshed in the middle of the day, when we hit that slump and we're really struggling, we go for that ten minute walk. You've kind of engaged the body again. You've got the blood pumping, blood bringing oxygen, this critical gas, to your muscles. The mitochondria are using it. That's part of why you feel better after you go for a walk.
The more you go for a walk, the better you might [find you're] going to perform. And you want to be able to run faster instead of walking, then you just start jogging a little bit more. You can keep adding these challenges to your body. The human body is amazing, in that it will always adapt to whatever stimulus you put on it.
If you want to function better, you want to feel better, start getting yourself out walking in the middle of the day. Go for a run. Go cycle. If none of those things are interesting for you, go for a swim. Do something where your heart rate is just above rest. It's going to do amazing things for you. It's amazing how the body can adapt to any stimulus you put on it.
Lacy Dicharry: If I'm a leader listening to this, and my employees are coming to me like, we need to have an afternoon break so we can go for a walk, and the leader is hearing this like, I don't know. You just kind of laid out the case. If you were to say it in a different way, as an employee who wants to make the case for, I will be more productive if I can do this, how do you put that in plain language for them to be able to share with their boss?
Dr. Hailey Parry: Let's talk about success. When we have leaders, success usually revolves around collaboration. It's a lot of different ideas that are [coming together].
We've got to go for an exercise snack. Bring your collaboration with you. Do a nice ten minute walk around the park, brainstorming. Both you and your collaborator have more blood flow. You have more oxygen. Your fuel is being released from all the fuel stores. Now your brain's working a little bit better, and you're able to get these new ideas kind of interacting back and forth. And now, after that ten minutes of an exercise snack, you guys can sit down and do the hard computer work.
Lacy Dicharry: You're actually going to be more productive if you take this time. You do your warm up. You get to know, your icebreakers or whatever for the meeting, the first ten minutes of an agenda. You're getting up and moving, you're walking and talking. You're still working. But then actually the rest of the meeting can be more productive.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Certainly. A lot of success within leadership is collaboration. It's networking. It's getting to meet new people. You have someone who says, hey, I really think what you're doing is awesome, I want to learn how you got here, can we go for a coffee? Say, yes, that would be great. How about you meet me at my office and we go ahead and walk there.
That's a simple exercise snack to get past that icebreaker period, that small talk that's naturally going to happen. And then you sit down and you really get to the good stuff when you have your coffee finally.
Lacy Dicharry: There's several things that you mentioned that leaders can do to increase their performance, or anybody in the workplace can do to increase their performance. I heard sugar, which, ideally healthy sugar. I don't need to go and get the Oreos at three o'clock. That's not going to be as effective.
Dr. Hailey Parry: That's not going to be as effective. Although I will say, I do love a good Oreo from time to time.
Lacy: Movement, especially, can help. And then really having that connection as well. I don't know that this is specifically mitochondrially related, but being able to have that connection with another human. We're social creatures, and so having that [conversation with] somebody while we are increasing our energy flow can really help to increase that productivity.
Dr. Parry: Absolutely. I think some of our most successful leaders are successful because they have that network and they have that social connection around them.
Some of your most creative ideas are going to be happening sometimes outside of work, in social settings. You're hanging out with your friends and your colleagues, and someone says a comment that sparks another idea. And next thing you know, you guys are pulling out a whiteboard and you're drawing out your [schematic] on what your next project's going to be.
Lacy Dicharry: So many great business ideas started on the [napkin]. Is there anything in the science behind that? Does that happen more in natural settings with things [growing], rather than in a structured meeting during a workday?
Dr. Hailey Parry: That's a good question. I think a lot of that goes towards a little bit of blood flow again. You're getting a little bit of creative thinking. You're put into unique situations where you are being inspired.
The brain works in really, really weird ways sometimes. This example I always [think] is funny. I've gone out to afternoon happy hour drinks with some of my colleagues, and I'm sitting in a bar and I'm looking at the wood grain, and I was like, that looks like a [mitochondrion interacting] with another one. And that sparks this new question that I end up having.
I think it's a lot of the world around us as inspiration in different ways. And some of that is because more of the artificial or the inanimate objects that we build up are so influenced by the organic stuff that's around us. And so now when you get humans interacting with one another, you not only are having these dynamic conversations, you're also being influenced [by] what's around you within your environment.
Lacy Dicharry: What is important to you about this research?
Dr. Hailey Parry: This research gets around to changing some of our biology textbooks. We learn at the very, very basic level that mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell, and that's true, and that will be true now and forever more. But what we don't always understand is how where you are within the cell matters.
When we're talking here, how you [perceive] things is different than how I am, because we're located in different spots. We have cells that have many, many, many mitochondria that are there, and they're next to [fuel] deposits, and they're next to where the oxygen is being delivered, and they are next to the contractile parts that are making the muscle move.
We have to ask the question of, are they different? How are they different? Because their environments are different around them.
Think about when you're sitting in an office and you have no windows, and it's stark, and you have this fluorescent lighting that's super bright. It's not an enjoyable place to sit down and work at all times. But if you have this office that has natural light into it, maybe you have some greenery around, it is a completely different environment, and now you're a bit more productive. Because it's just a different place that you're ending up being.
Same thing with cellular work. How does the different molecular environment change the very foundation [we've] known for years, just because you placed it two steps away from where it was before?
Lacy Dicharry: I love that. I spend a lot of time thinking about the individual in the environment of the workplace. There is so much fascinating research about environmental conditions in workplaces, everything from colors to shapes of the room to, like you said, light and green spaces.
One thing that is super interesting to me is this shift in what we're studying in organizational dynamics. Previously, researchers really focused on the organization itself. What is the type of the organization, the goals, and how do we help achieve those goals through the use of human resources? Some of what is shifting now is, how do we actually focus on the human in the environment, and the nature of the relationship between the human and the organization? And how do we measure that dynamic?
It's making me think of what you're talking about. A human doing the exact same job at two different companies could be performing completely differently. Everything else is the same, but the environment's different, so they're going to experience that completely differently.
Dr. Hailey Parry: A hundred percent. And it's not even just the environment. It's the people that are around.
If you have one mitochondrion that's in a dark room, and another mitochondrion that's in a light room, but all the other mitochondria in the light room are not working well, or maybe they're sad, or maybe there's a toxic message that's being sent around within your workplace, or maybe they're not happy with how the organization is working. That starts to [affect] even the good parts of what you see.
This is a really dynamic balance that you're going back and forth with, to make sure that you have the most healthy and productive environment for whoever it is to be successful.
Lacy Dicharry: Is there a difference in the health of mitochondria? Tell me more about that. What influences their health level?
Dr. Hailey Parry: A lot of it has to do with the types of fuels that we have around us. Carbs are always good for us, but too much carbs is not good. That becomes toxic in itself.
Same thing about fats. We like fats that are good for you, especially our essential fatty acids. Super good for you. But you can become lipotoxic if you have too many fats. If you're eating way too much ice [cream] every single night, or you're having way too many hamburgers, any sort of influx of fats, what it does is it sort of almost poisons some of your mitochondria a little bit. They start to separate, start moving further and further away from each other. They're not really happy and they don't want to interact nearly as much. Really, really interesting.
Versus, say you take an individual, maybe they're eating a moderate diet of everything, but say they're going for walks regularly, or maybe they do an hour of exercise every single day. That exercise stimulus actually can counteract some of the bad stuff that's happening. Maybe you do have some influx of fat, but the mitochondria are just much more healthy. They have more proteins that make them work a lot better, and so they're able to [stave] off some of the bad side effects that you can get if you don't do any sort of movement.
Lacy Dicharry: If I want to be a better leader, I need to eat better.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Eat better and go for walks outside. Have some fruit, go for walks, talk to your friends, bounce ideas back and forth with you. And make sure you always practice gratitude.
Lacy Dicharry: We talk about sound mind, sound body, and the mind body connection. There's the psycho, spiritual, emotional, social components to all of that. But as a leader, it's fascinating to me that even simply the food that we put in our mouths can impact how we show up in the workplace. And then how we then influence the environment around us.
There's a lot of studies that, simply leader emotion, how they express emotion or [repress] emotion, can impact their followers' mental health, for example. When we think about building these environments where everyone within that environment can thrive, it's amazing how small some of these things are that can make such a big difference.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Certainly. I think a lot about type one versus type two happiness.
Type one happiness is like that donut that you eat, or that cupcake that you're like, this is the best thing in the world. It's simple. It's easy to do. You get an immediate [hit] of dopamine and serotonin and you're super, super happy. But then you crash later.
Versus type two happiness being, you've got to put a little bit more work in. You go for a thirty minute jog, and maybe the first five minutes you're not really happy, because it's five, six in the morning, it's dark out, you just pulled yourself out of bed. But by the time you're done with that run, you're happy. You're [glad]. Those endorphins have been going, and now you're awake, you're able to start the day.
Both the donut and the exercise ended up having happiness. But in the donut example, we have over[stimulated] our mitochondria with way too much sugar. And in the running, we have facilitated an increase in cellular communication that's happening within your body, and you're going to be happy throughout the day because of it.
Lacy Dicharry: What would you say are some of the type one and type two happiness examples that people experience in the workplace?
Dr. Hailey Parry: I think type one happiness is when you get from your colleagues the immediate good job on a simple task that you end up doing. Or maybe there was some, we'll call it busy work, that needed to get done, and you're praised for going about and doing the busy work. I think those are going to be some of your type one happiness that you see within the workplace.
But type two is like the projects that take a couple of months. And maybe the first couple of times that you submit it, they end up getting rejected, or you have major changes that need to be made. But over the course of, say, the next year, maybe it's two years if it's a super, super big project, it ends up going through. And you first immediately get that yes, acceptance, and then you can watch the project grow and develop. There's always constant work that's being put into it, but you see this idea go from a seed to a tangible item, and that is always super, super refreshing. That's where that type two happiness is going to come from.
Lacy Dicharry: It sounds like that is really that longer lasting result. And feedback is what I heard. Feedback is not something that feels good in the moment. It doesn't always. Some people love feedback, some people crave it, some people want to avoid it at all costs. But it sounds like this is one example of that type two happiness. It can actually really produce longer lasting results.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Something with feedback that's super important, and certainly for me this is something I've had to learn over the years, is feedback can feel very personal, like an attack on you. It's taking down everything that you have ever done. When the reality is, feedback is coming from those who have brought you into whatever environment that you're in, and it's trying to help you succeed.
Maybe it doesn't feel good the first time that you end up reading it. Especially if it's constructive criticism, because you're coming in like, I have such a great idea, this is going to be the next thing, we're going to keep going for it. And then you have people [poking holes]. But that's what you want. You want your [idea] to be so good that when it does take off, everyone can really get behind it. That's where we need to get feedback from.
And that's where it's super important to learn not to take that feedback personally. [They aren't] talking about you as a person. They're trying to provide their own suggestions to help build up what we're trying to build.
Lacy Dicharry: That's something that we teach leaders a lot about, that psychological safety component. I think there's a lot of misconception about psychological safety. It's not that everybody feels safe all the time to say anything. It actually means that you feel safe to speak up, despite receiving that challenging feedback. That I feel safe enough to challenge. I feel safe and know that I am not going to be [blamed] or experience retaliation as a result of that feedback.
Actually, that's the study that Google did a long time ago, Project Aristotle. They were trying to figure out what makes teams the most effective. They had the highest performing teams, what made them higher performing than others? And they looked at everything from the environment, how many ping pong tables they have, what schools they go to, what resources they have, what type of leader they have. What they found is actually the number one indicator of the most effective teams was that psychological safety component.
That is what I think of when I think about this mitochondrial [energy] system. What are those states that exist just within the environment or within teams that impact [us] that we actually don't know? We now can measure these things, things like trust and psychological safety. But that's essentially the air that we're [breathing]. That is the environment that we're in inside of a team. And leaders absolutely influence and impact that.
Dr. Hailey Parry: You're talking about psychological safety, and all I'm thinking about is how my best mentors allowed me to make a mistake. And then when I come back and I'm freaking out because I made a [mistake] in the lab, or I let a gel accidentally turn into something that I [had] solidified when it wasn't supposed to solidify, my best mentor sat me down and was like, tell me about it. I want to know more about it.
They want to lean into your mistake, and no one gets upset, because it's part of what learning and developing is. If you make a mistake, lean into it. What did you learn from it? And sometimes some of our best scientific discoveries were also made from mistakes.
Lacy Dicharry: I think that's something that a lot of people talk about in the leadership space. How do you fail forward? How do you fail with the right amount of risk? And how can leaders provide that? Especially leaders who struggle with perfectionism, or [are] workaholics, or [need] to be the [knower] or have the answer. It's a lot harder to allow mistakes to happen and to learn from those.
But that's something that we teach about for learning organizations. If you really want to be high performing and innovative, you have to fail. You have to be able to fail and come back and work together.
Dr. Hailey Parry: I think as a leader of a team, you have to be willing to be interested to hear about the failure. Because your team members inherently are going to be human. We're going to make mistakes. And you want a leader that when you hear about a failure, you hear about a mistake, again, leans into it.
Maybe I'm thinking, as in my example from science, maybe you're an undergraduate who's never stepped in the lab before, and you come in and you accidentally mix two agents. Lean into that. [Did] the student learn anything from it? Make this an opportunity. And maybe you get lucky, because you're a postdoctoral fellow who's in there helping you build your lab, made a mistake, and you had a super interesting observation that you now have a new line of research to go down.
Lacy Dicharry: It's about that fear. How do we address fears for leaders and really balance that for our teams?
You said something interesting, though, that at the heart of what has allowed you to have the career that you have is mentors, and how they have shown up for you. They've not only given you guidance, but allowed you to fail and learn from that failure in a way that was not judgmental, it sounds like. Tell me a little bit more about where you would be without your mentors? What impact have they had for you?
Dr. Hailey Parry: They have been everything in my life. And my mentors, I mean my mentors go all the way to my mother, my grandmothers, who have been around in my life. I stand on their shoulders for what they have done for women in careers, in leadership, in science. It's thanks to them.
It's a mother who has shown me resilience and standing up over and over and over again. And when I came home and I made a ninety five on a spelling test instead of a hundred, and I was crying because I needed to make the hundred, she was like, this is in context now. Those are simple mentors as well. Not simple. They're critical mentors as you're learning simple skills as leaders.
And then I had the mentors through college who said, what do you want to do with your life? And I knew from a very young age I did not want to go into a medical or clinical field, but I didn't know what I wanted to do. And they said, come try research.
I started doing research in biomechanics, which is the physics of how the body moves. And I learned real quickly that I do not like biomechanics. But I was super interested in what was happening in the physiology lab when they were floating gels and they were trying to investigate this world that you can't see with your own eyes. And I had a great mentor in biomechanics. [They] said, that's okay, go do this other thing. And they're still writing recommendation letters for me to this day.
And then you have the mentors [who get] you into positions for graduate school. And then you have the graduate school mentors who go, hey, this is a really cool opportunity, you should go ahead and try [it].
Lacy Dicharry: They really guided you along those opportunities and provided support along the way.
Lacy Dicharry: My last question for you. What is the leadership legacy that you want your research to leave behind?
Dr. Hailey Parry: I want my research legacy to ask the question of, what does subcellular interaction mean for the human body?
We have a lot of proteins in the body. We have a lot of genes within our body. We talk about genes that make you at risk for [obesity], diabetes, or cancer. And we talk about proteins that we're going to target. The GLP ones are targeting one specific protein within our body to have these effects.
But the reality is, all of it's a cascade. There are multiple players. There's multiple teams that are happening at the same time, and these things are happening within the muscle cells, within the bone cells, within the fat cells. And they are all kind of coming together to have this whole body response. I really want my research to be, where is that interaction happening, and what is that impact on the body?
Lacy Dicharry: I really feel that, because it's a very similar legacy but in a totally different space. Wanting to understand how teams work together, and what makes some better than others, and how do we really leverage what's happening underneath the team for the whole system to drive [performance].
Dr. Hailey Parry: It's really cool in biology, when you take a look at those black and white images in biology textbooks of where things are located. We have different parts of the cell that are pushed up against one another, and that inherently means communication.
I think about it like when you have offices next to different people. What are you [doing] there? Communicating. Whether or not that person is directly doing what you're doing, there's communication that's happening there. And that's what you want to get at. Those are the interactions that we're interested in. That's the stuff that has the greater impact within the organization.
Lacy Dicharry: I love that so much. Well, thank you so much for coming on our [podcast]. I love learning about mitochondria and all of these things that I barely pronounce, but [that have] such an impact on our daily lives as leaders.
Something I'm always striving to do is, how can I get better as a leader? You've given us a lot of tips. Eat healthy. Get outside. Walk. [Be in] connection. Get moving. Thank you so much for sharing that with our audience.
Dr. Hailey Parry: Thank you for having me. This has been a lot of fun.
Lacy Dicharry: [close] To learn more about the LSU Leadership Development Institute, and how we support leaders, teams, and organizations through coaching, strategic development, and facilitation, please visit us at lsu.edu/ldi and connect with us at @LSU_LDI. Thank you for listening to Teams That Win.